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French bullfighter Sebastian Castella is lifted by a Nunez de Cuvillo bull at the San Fermin fair in Pamplona



I dunno about y'all, but I think he got a bit more than a lift.
YIKES!

Date: 2004-10-17 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kajmal.livejournal.com
He's French. He's used to it.

Date: 2004-10-17 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedarksiren.livejournal.com
*shakes head*

and people wonder why the French can't stand Americans...~;P

Date: 2004-10-17 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kajmal.livejournal.com
Because we're just as xenophobic, ignorant, selfish and conceited as they are.

--tc

Date: 2004-10-17 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedarksiren.livejournal.com
.drow

\m/

I think you hit the nail on za bud, yo.

Date: 2004-10-18 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
Now having lived for a chunk of time in both countries, I have to admit - that's not really true, the US is much worse that way. The French are just more vocal about it, but they actually know and care about their surrounding world. At least the ones close enough to drive to. ;)

Date: 2004-10-17 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
Ah, San Fermin. The running of the bulls. Me almost getting gored.

I saw worse at a bull fight at San Fermin, back when I used to go there all the time. Yes. Worse. A lot of bullfighters refuse to perform at San Fermin, because the bulls have learned to recognize humans by running through the crowd; they are much more dangerous than in other bull fights where they have never tried to attack and gore humans before.

*sighs at memories* ... I could do several more storytelling nights just from Pamplona memories. =)

Date: 2004-10-17 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedarksiren.livejournal.com
I'd love to hear stories...can I get a raincheck?

Date: 2004-10-18 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
Well, no other stories are nearly as exciting, obviously, but sure!

Date: 2004-10-17 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedarksiren.livejournal.com
Actually, I'd almost prefer that kind of bullsight...at least the bulls have a sense of what is going to happen to them, and thus it's a bit more fair IMO.

Date: 2004-10-18 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
I prefer bullfights in general to slaughter; at least the bull gets a chance, and it gets to go in a blaze of glory - yes, the bull tends to feel great too, adrenaline blazing and madness pouring. If the bullfighter is good, that is. Bad bullfighters suck.

Date: 2004-10-18 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiktiktok.livejournal.com
But it's still not like it's the bull's choice to be there.

And adrenaline aside, it's not exactly painless nor quick. Nor is there any reason for it beyond a brief "entertainment." If nothing else, animals slaughtered for food are at least feeding someone.

Personally, I'd rather see human gladiators. :)

Date: 2004-10-18 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
What do you think they do with the bulls after the fight?

Double the value, and a better way to go!

And I am supremacist enough to not worry about the bull's choice - after all, the bull wouldn't even *exist* if we didn't breed and raise it.

Date: 2004-10-18 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiktiktok.livejournal.com
after all, the bull wouldn't even *exist* if we didn't breed and raise it.


Please tell me you are not serious...

Date: 2004-10-18 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
Of course I am. I have some rather harsh world views on some things, including the food chain. But I won't eat anything I wouldn't kill myself.

Date: 2004-10-18 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiktiktok.livejournal.com
My rule is that I won't eat anything that I haven't personally killed.

I wasn't saying your world view was harsh. I was just mocking the line of reasoning that included the "the bull wouldn't even *exist* if we didn't breed and raise it" bit.

I seriously would have taken "because I can" as a better argument than that. :P


Date: 2004-10-18 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
Essentially it *is* saying "because I can", since that is the bottom line anyway. I enjoy bullfights, I love steak, I abhor needless torment of any living creatures. Can't get all that I want, so I get what I can!

Date: 2004-10-17 06:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revsphynx.livejournal.com
I always root for the bull.

Date: 2004-10-17 07:42 am (UTC)

Date: 2004-10-18 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
You go to many bullfights? What's your favorite corrida?

Date: 2004-10-18 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revsphynx.livejournal.com
Actually going to a bullfight and rooting for the bull would be rather like going to a Harlem Globetrotters game because you wanted to root for the New York Nationals.

Date: 2004-10-18 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theswede.livejournal.com
Not really. I've seen the bull come out on top often enough that it's very exciting to watch.

Date: 2004-10-17 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luckeyisis.livejournal.com
Good, its nice when the Bull fights back

Date: 2004-10-17 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedarksiren.livejournal.com
I agree totally.

I thought this was a great pic...almost a good advertising sign for why it's NOT a good idea to bull fight.

I've had a hard time with it since I was a teen & saw a video where a bull's leg snapped, broken, and he just hobbled around the ring, suffering while the crowd jeered. That really upset me, on many levels.

Date: 2004-10-17 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oqidaun.livejournal.com
heh, definitely rooting for the bull on that one.

go bull go!!!!

Date: 2004-10-17 07:44 am (UTC)

Date: 2004-10-17 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feima.livejournal.com
you rule so hard dawn dawn!

Date: 2004-10-17 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigjohnsinging.livejournal.com
man... that had to hurt. ouch!!!

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